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within the republican party, and once that 113th convenes the president can institute obama tax cuts, and sort of dare the republican party not to vote for, you know, a new round of obama tax cuts. politically the president holds those but it's more important than that. the american people, after looking at options presented to them reclearly with a return of president obama to the white house, or initiating mitt romney presidency, chose a return of president obama to the white house and therefore gave him a very clear mandate to hold the line on the question of entitlements there when it comes to talking about entitlements, or earned benefits as progressives like to refer to it, what is the way that the president and those on the left can look and also appear to the right to be willing to compromise? what can they put on the table, if anything? >> well, i just don't think that any of us think that it is a reasonable idea to over the course of the next week and a half, over the course of the holiday season, for the president and this congress, which is a lame duck congress, to engage
raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are going along with the former chief of staff said.
don't have to write a check on january 2nd. he'll have time, then, to introduce the obama tax cuts and basically dare the republican -- the 113th congress not to vote for him. >> when he puts out his plan, then you hear, chris, i was very intrigued by the statement that charles made on fox, that the obama offer is worse than what was offered to general lee at the end of the civil war. listen to this. >> it's not just a bad deal. this is really an insulting deal. what git near offered on the screen, robert e. lee was offered better deals and he lost the civil war. this is almost unheard of. mine, what do they expect? they obviously expect republicans to cave on everything. i think republicans ought to simply walk away. >> chris, i think with lincoln outdone, i think he could have used a better analogy. >> look, the funny thing is the end of that statement, which is, i keep saying, rush limbaugh keeps saying, walk away. walk away. if they walk away, all of the taxes go up. the delicious irony, i will note, is to have them sunset so the cost was lower than what it would be if therm pe
company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to for you republicans to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper folks to go up. >> john boehner scheduled a last minute news conference. fired back with this. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. >> as the rhetoric heats up, the clock continues to tick down. after today, there are just ten legislative days on the calendar. the house announced they will be recessing one day early next would he week. joining me now from the white house, white house correspondent kristen welker. what's the latest from 1600 pennsylvania? >> well, good afternoon, craig. as you can see the holiday decorations are going up here at the white house. but it doesn't seem like anyone is in the holiday
. and former health insurance executive wendell potter on what obama's proposed $340 billion in medicare cuts will mean for seniors. >>> vice president joe biden stumps for the middle class at a retail store that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real s
there and they have passed a tax cut extension program that the obama administration wants. it would essentially lay the groundwork for a quick fix to this fiscal cliff. >> sam stein, "huffington post," good to have you with us. >> go giants. >> stop that. >> had to do that. >> remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. >>> coming up, mitch mcconnell saying raising limits. we're talking about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. a record number of filibusters. john boehner is fighting to keep it that way. we'll tell you what that's about. >>> fast food workers stage the largest strike in their history. we'll show you what they hope to accomplish here in the big apple. >>> and later the white house releases the first beau obama christmas video. it's much better than the old barney camp videos and we have the tape to prove us. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're coming right back. of ta. it's changing the conversation. ♪ or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-i
passed a tax cut extension program that the obama administration wants and it would essentially lay the groundwork for getting a quick fix to this fiscal cliff. they could then move on to the spending cuts portion. >> sam stein, "huffington post," good to have you with us. >> go giants. >> stop that. >> had to do that. >> giants are okay. i like the packers better. remember to answer tonight's question question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. >>> coming up, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says democrats need to raise the eligibility age for medicare? obama care architect dr. zeke manual joins me to talk about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... t
in washington? >>> president obama presses the case for tax hikes on the rich, and the tax cut extension for the middle class, now. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> but republicans aren't budging, accusing the president of avoiding tough choices on spending and wasting time in the effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> it's not a serious proposal. and so right now, we're almost nowhere. >> will there be a deal by the end of the year? and what are the consequences for the economy if there isn't one? we'll ask the president's lead budget negotiator, treasury secretary tim geithner. >>> then the view from capitol hill. are democrats as divided over cutting medicare as republicans are over tax increases? with us, two voices calling for compromise. republican senator bob corker of tennessee and democratic senator claire mccaskill of missouri. >>> finally, our special economic roundtable. as both sides battle over the nation's fiscal health, what can we expect from the economy in a second obama term? w
the truth. the obama team has put the budget in front of him. he knows what the cuts are. for him to go in front of the american public and be disingenuous about he doesn't know what the specifics are is a flat-out lie. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, who is john boehner fooling? text a., for no one, b. for himself to 622639. always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. joining me now, richard wolffe, not a card player, but msnbc political analyst and vice president, executive editor of msnbc.com. i thought it was an academy award performance by boehner today. >> pretty good, huh? >> he knows what the numbers are, don't you think? >> he knows what the numbers are and what the other side is holding here. he has to pretend like he fought for something. he has no leverage. tom cole isn't just a guy from oklahoma. he led the republican conference. that's the ideological core, those are the sort of torch holders for the whole movement. and so when tom cole says, we got to go with what we've got here, we
1, the obama administration will raise taxes far more than just eliminating the bush tax cuts for the top brackets. the new healthcare law will raise taxes of its own. additional $318 billion over ten years. including a new 3.8% tax on investment income and reduced deductions for those of all incomes. >> this is not an incon quincable thing. you are -- incon consequencial thing. >> those affected most will the small businesses many of which pay taxes at the individual rate and get a double whammy with the simultaneous end of the bush tax cut and tax increases under obamacare. almost 60% increase in tax on investment. >> entrepreneurs with small businesses, certain number of workers now they will be facing a four or five, 10% point increase in the tax liabilities. that means they will have income to invest in their firm. >> for some small businesses it could be a hardship. for other small businesses. they are going to go doing what they are doing. >> in fact, it may be much cheaper for small businesses to pay a $2,000 fine, to not offer insurance and let the employs go on the t
hours. tonight it appears there is little likelihood that president obama intends to make any meaningful offer of spending cuts with which to balance the republican author of tax revenue increases. president obama, maintaining a highly believable effort of the white house and congress to resolve differences that would avoid the fiscal cliff. that is $1.2 trillion in automatic budget cuts and $600 billion in tax hikes that would result from the expiration on december 31, the consequences would simply be devastating. the economic impact on the country and the american people would mean the loss of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of jobs. the very likely onset of yet another recession. the white house timothy geithner on capitol hill today. he went there empty-handed to meet the party leaders. house speaker john boehner who has already offered to raise tax revenue finds himself not in a negotiation, but rather competing in the white house media campaign. this is how speaker boehner reacted earlier today to the demands of the white house that were laid out by timothy geithner in a clo
. with real cuts. obama was supposed to gave speech where he would respond with a counter offer. what did he do? he gave a speech with ryan on the front row. he called the ryan proposal un-american, insulted him. offered nothing and ran on mediscare in the next 18 mont months. they expect the republicans will do this again? republicans will walk on this. i think they have leverage. yes, for congressional democrats it will help them in the future if the republicans absorb the blame because we will have a recession. obama is not running again unlike the congressional democrats. he is going to have a recession. 90% unemployment, 2 million more unemployed. second term that will be a ruin. that is not a good proposition if you are barack obama. >> bret: before you respond to that, a.b., there is one thing that speaker boehner talked about today, leverage wise. that is tying the debt ceiling limit to this entire deal. and the white house reacting. >> there is a lot of things i wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. if we talk about the debt limit, there will be
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it until after all the tax cuts expire. then obama, you know, is not necessarily bound by just that demand. he could come and ask to free up more revenue. as dan was saying, i think they hope that something in the market will make the democrats move quickly but if they don't that just suggests that they don't have it within themselves as a party to vote affirmatively do so something. >> eliot: there is one other component that could create fear and tank the market, and that's the debt ceiling. that's the place where john boehner is saying there is an extra price for that. i'm going to extort an extra piece of this if you want me to raise the debt ceiling and don't fall into that bear trap once against we hope. that's something that we'll talk about. we'll take a break and my guests will stay with me. we'll talk about the meet and potatoes of it and the debt sealing. we'll be right back. mints called mints? answer in a moment. fruit just got cooler. fruit on one side, cool on the other. ice breakers duo. a fruity, cool way to break the ice. brought to you by ice breakers mints. break the i
. well, 28 days to go until tax cuts expire for most americans if president obama and congress can't cut a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the
, but because they attacked cuts to medicare in obama care, i don't think that romney ever really sold to the public significant cuts, significant changes to the medicare program. so republicans in the abstract want this. i feel like they haven't spelled out the painful cuts they're putting on the table and part of what obama is trying to do is force them to do that. >> yes. because he himself has not made any mention of it and, you know, david gregory this morning on "morning joe" saying it's going to be painful for both sides. the president trying to outsource that, pardon the use of a loaded term, to the gop, joy. >> nobody wants to talk about what they want to cut. that's the thing in washington. why you don't see the budget shrink. talking about cuts means school lunches or cut medicare. when romney andline talked about cutting medicare they had this carve out for people over 55. they said don't worry, you won't have to feel any pain. that's not even on the table. they lost with that proposition and republicans are saying look we've got to go back and admit to our wealthy donors w
that they really stick to tax cuts have to continues for the wealthiest 2%, obama local veto rather than make a bad deal. do you agree? >> i completely degree. the president has drawn a clear line in the sand on this whole idea of the tax cuts. he said at every campaign speech. if you make over a quarter of a million dollars, your taxes will go up. it's just that simple. i think the republicans have even sort of moved a little bit to the left on this. they are like, you know, we are willing to put a come-along with that. there are some republicans you are. you are never going to get michelle bachmann paul ryan god bless america. for all of the other ones moderate republicans and those are like, wait a second. i am going to be in a tough primary fight. in the mid-term election, going to be in the mid-term fight against a democratic candidate. they are going to have to come to the middle. i think there is also, new republicans republicans, you know, in the united states congress like the bob corker's of this world, pat tumis whom say let's get something done b
with no spending cuts or entitlement reform. it's not going to happen. and mr. obama knows it's not going to happen. so why are we playing this foolish game? the american people deserve better than this. we have huge financial problems in this country. problems that every single one of us are going to be feeling if the u.s. dollar tanks come on, mr. president, put something reasonable. get off the politics. and that's the memo. finally somebody asked me and i appreciate that bill. let's go straight to it right now there are no rules in this game between obama purpose of the negotiation. it's just ballot err and media noise. i would suggest and the first part of that plan is to set the parameters. that means, okay? the top 2% of the country are paying just about 40% of the taxes in this country. what percent does the president want? boehner needs to stand up and say everything is on the table. taxes, entitlements, you name it, we're ready to talk. >> you would begin with the tax situation, right? i would begin with the spending but you are smarter than me. >> so you say to mr. obama, all right, we'r
is threatening a power play move to force a vote on extending middle class tax cuts. this morning, president obama also pushed away republican senator orrin hatch called his proposal, radical. >> it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the we weltmist americans. >> what he proposed this week is a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase doubled the size of what he campaigned on. >> joining me now nbc news white house correspondent mike viqueira. mike, let's talk about this thing. this is the time the lawmakers are breaking out the rule book to find some tricks. how does pelosi think she can force a vote on middle class tax cuts? >> it's funny, craig, the president visited the tinker toy factory yesterday but he's not playing around, that is for certain. his opening bid delivered by tim geithner the treasury secretary on thursday up on the hill was such a one-way document as far as republicans were concerned that the republican leader of the senate broke out in a burst o
that now, president obama said, and he and congress can work out the details of spending cuts later. ( applause ) before a crowd of supporters, the white house invited from the mid-atlantic region, president obama put congressional republicans on notice. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agreed to, which is lets keep middle class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. gd if we get this part of it right, then a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction in a fair and balanced, responsible way are going to be a whole lot easier. >> reporter: white house officials say mr. obama is not interested in personally meeting with congressional republicans because those meetings did little to resolve the 2010 debt ceiling crisis. but when mr. obama later skipped congressional meetings and campaigned to extend the 2% payroll tax cut and maintain lower student loan interest rates, he won. the president is primarily focused on step one of this process-- winning the middle class
the republican was talked about obama was going to cut $716 billion so now we're in a situation where nobody wants his or her fingerprints on the medicare cuts. >> uh-huh. >> okay. the medicare cuts, i can assure you, and this is going to upset a lot of people, will appear in the negotiations. they will be-- paternity will be denied but they will miraculously appear. and i think we've got to outline what will go ahead with the deal. >> who is playing what hand, who is playing from strength here at this point. >> on this the president has the strength. no he request. first he won the election. second the polling shows that people are more likely to blame the republicans. third, if you look at the way the rules of the fiscal cliff are structured, the republicans lose big. the cuts, the sequestration, the cuts come out of defense disproportionately so they come out of republicans, so a lot of republicans said this is not a great place to wage this fight. we would rather not fight here. >> what do you think about mark's point about, his coming on-- you are he assaying he's got a strong hand but
billion in entitlement cuts over ten years. still to be negotiated. mr. obama also wants emergency unemployment benefits and a temporary payroll tax holiday extended along with the infrastructure spending and mortgage relief, the price tag for the president's stimulus bill could rise to $50 billion or more. after meeting with secretary geithner, speaker boehner said he didn't see any sign of compromise from the white house. >> first despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> eliot: no sooner had boehner finished then senate majority leader harry reid took the podium to challenge republicans to come up with their own plan. >> we're saying extend the tax cuts for middle class. as part of that, of course, we know if we do nothing that top rates go up and the nats are waiting for the republicans to come
to get tax cuts, what president obama has proposed. this is not rocket science, not complicated. boehner, lead or resign. >> this is "the bill press show." ed is calling from frederick maryland. what do you say, ed? >> caller: good morning. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ music ] >> coming to you live at current.com/billpress. this is "the bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> you've got it 33 minutes after the hour now. here we go with the "full-court press." this monday morning, december 3rd, coming to you live from our nation's capitol brought to you today by the communication workers of america, good men and woman of the communication
to do you want to vote for a tax cut for 98% of americans, i think that's where president obama will have more leverage in some of thots discussions. it's a shame we can't move beyond the gridlock. >> but dr. peterson, i have just heard speaker boehner say look at the last two years. look at the ryan budget, which, of course, in neither of the two years received a single vote by democrats. >> well, listen, like joy reid on this network has said, hopefully mr. boehner will be able to sing a different tune once the tea party caucus is more di anyone initiminished an speakership is re-established on january 3rd. my sense is going off the fiscal slope or curve or cliff is probably the best case scenario for president obama. >> professor reich, the president has offered a mix of taxes and spending cuts in his plan. mr. boehner responded with the ryan budget five minutes after saying they wanted a bipartisan solution. have they put any thought whatsoever into any of this? what have they been doing on all their days off. >> i don't think they've been doing anything but licking their wo
for themselves. that is despite president obama's promise to cut the red tape. we're joined by a man from the meeting. tom, i take it this gentleman was not the only one who was distraught with fema, is that right? >> of course. almost everybody at that meeting has different issues with fema, whether you lost your whole house and you have flood insurance or you don't have flood insurance. you know, that's where they're at. some people lost half their house, cars, you know. there's a lot of discrepancy in how fema lets out the money, you know. i can tell you stories where people, i know two people who had the same amount of damage, and one person, and they live on the same type of concrete slab, foundation house, right. and one person's floor is not their living quarters because they had three floors and one person's floor is their living quarters because there's only two floors. that person got 2000. she had like 8 inches of water in her living roo room on the ft floor which causes a lot of damage because it soaks up to all the drywall, and this other person who it wasn't her living quart
is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration, the question is, is it in their interest to trade tax cuts for the wealthy? increase for the wealthy for raising the age for eligibility for medicare, for example. i'm not sure that that's a trade that they are eager to make immediately. >> let me show you the side by side comparison. the president wants $1.6 trillion in revenue and republicans want to cap the same deductions for the rich but republicans want to change the age to 67 and change the way they calculate social security payments. i wonder, though, when we look at these numbers, are we that far apart in. >> i think they are definitely rather far aare part at this moment in time. yeah, absolutely. >> so there are so many ways that any of this could affect the average tack payer, obviously if taxes go up. but what about funding to states and localities. i know that one of the things that they are concerned about is that when you make cuts, that essentially those cuts are going to come on their budgets. what could happen in a meeting like thi
with president barack obama to raise rates on the rich that extend tax cuts for income below $250,000. with congress scrambling to avert the series of tax inincreasing and spending cuts due to cut in, should approve a deal ensuring that $98% of americans do not suffer a tax increase that endangers the economic recovery. that's from the national journal this morning. this is from the hill newspaper. that's where you lose us because we want to strengthen these programs, not let them die on the vine. again, that's from "the hill" newspaper. dixie is a republican in clinton, mississippi. what do you think? caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i think it is a surprise to me, and i cannot help but wonder why all the talk about increasing taxes, making cuts, and we need cuts, why the welfare is never addressed. we have people who are living like millionaires from welfare. they get free food, they get free housing, they get free schooling, they get -- the children get lunches two times a day at school. and they get all kind of benefits, but nothing is ever said about cut
that the spending cuts go up and become more immediate. considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations and says he is open to it now and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it will not take too much to get their, although there are still obstacles. host: the $1.60 trillion and $800 billion are the opening numbers. where are we with those numbers now. have those numbers been altered? guest: i do not know if republicans have gone above $800. the question will be, will obama be able to get above $800. once you start talking about the $1 trillion number, that is a politically sensitive number. obama might want to get above $1 trillion. republicans will want to keep it below $1 to win. host: are the senate ways and means and finance committees involved in these discussions? guest: sam bachus, the ways and means chairman, they're keeping in touch. their staff are very involved, because they're the guys who know all about taxes. they are definitely going to be involved in negotiations, even if they are sligh
spending cut, never once. >> it's not in his vocabulary. one thing we know about president obama is he campaigns to the middle but he kind of straights from the left and what i fully anticipate is there's a reason why dick durbin, who was his senate partner from oil know, is saying which they went to 100% tax rate on million favors and people making above 250,000, it still isn't going to close the gap that exists. lfr maybe the the pie larger. >> let's be very clear, though, the president has already signed into law more cuts than were in the simpson-bowles proposal, he's proposed additional cuts in the 2013 budget he's proposed. to say he hasn't put cuts on the table is completely disingeneralsous. >> karen is making president obama out to be a tight fisted spending cutter. you followed the fiscal beat? >> do you regard president obama as a tight-fisted spending cutter? >> it's somewhere in between. he did sign a cap that would save a trillion dollars over the next would you mean of years. but thens other side of it is that we need about $4.9 trillion of savings over the next year to
growth in government and put obama care on the table. there's one entitlement you can cut that no one is going to get hurt or helped or either because we haven't spent the money yet. it hasn't been implemented yet. it's kind of a painless way to take some spending off the table. those are the kinds of things i would talk about in more macro sense. >> that probably would happen over the president's dead body, but all right. rick santorum, always nice to see you. >> obama care or medicare, i'm not too sure it would be over his dead body. >>> good to see you, up next, >>> the danger of tasers. nearly 500 people have died in the past 11 years when law enforcement used these stun guns. they are fast becoming the weapon of choice for officers. one roe one recent arrest caught on camera. and we are "outfront" on this story. some of the images you will see are disturbing. >> reporter: how does a seemingly normal traffic stop go from this -- >> is that your current address? >> no, i moved -- >> reporter: to this. >> ow! >> reporter: june 4 of this year, 1:230 a.m., a dark side street off a bus
obama offered up cuts in the -- cuts in the tax increases that helped bring the deficit in the first place but he's already clocked out around $2 trillion in spending cuts and interest decreases over the next ten years. now, as we know, the republicans have run and beaten the democrats on this idea that they're going to cut things, that they're going to find waste and eliminate it. well guys, now is your chance! step up to the microphone. what exactly are the cuts? it is funny. we're not hearing anything from these guys after they talked about it for so long. >> stephanie: exactly. that's what the white house is saying. the ball is in the republican's court. we're four weeks from the slope hill ramp. boehner -- republicans have a plan for providing as much as $800 billion in new government revenue over the next decade and we considered the elimination of tax deductions on high-income earners but when pressed for details, he declined to say. >> we've got a plan but i can't explain it to you because you wo
obama knows he has a deal. >> dana: i don't think -- well, one, the present doesn't have a spending cut plan. why is everyone looking at us. where is your plan, sir? now the democrats are starting to realize wait, i think they are on to us. president obama sacrificed going to hawaii with his family. going to stay behind. they will fawn over him for not going to hawaii. >> bob: that happened last year. if you accept the bush tax cut last time. family went off and obama stayed behind. it's time so just accept it. >> brian: it is the same game. the house republican and the senate democrat and president is democrat. >> eric: i can't tell you how many shows i stayed until 11:59, live show for the debt creeling to hit or the government to shut down. government would shut down, 19:55 they fixed it. obama is say nothing, i need more. boehner is saying we are further than we have ever been. >> they know where they will meet in the middle. >> dana: i think they are farther apart than ever, actually. >> eric: you do? >> dana: i do. does it show you wouldn't -- >> kimberly: absolutely not. >> kimbe
the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax rate? >> in a tax reform plan he did. >> exactly. that's my point. was that class warfare when he did that? was that class warfare when he did that. >> re
obama. the different in dollars. the president wants $800 billion more in tax increases. the republicans want approximately more a trillion dollars more spending cuts. that's the difference between the two sides just in dollar terms. there is a difference between the two sides in terms of principle. the principle centers on higher tax rates, yes or no. speaker boehner many latest offer is raise $800 billion mostly from the wealthy by limiting deductions. the president says, no, don't want that. we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple wa
suburbs and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. the taxes will go up for the top 2%. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98%. the rest of the people. let's listen to him. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that doesn't make sense. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. that's already passed the senate. your members of congress, like allyson and chaka, other democrats in the house, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, it will land on my desk, and i am ready, i have got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> 30 minutes after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner held a press conference, and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupling that 98% from the richest 2%, and h
. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington and so ellie, did anyone on any of the talk shows offer something resembling a bipartisan deal, or was effort just negativity? >> when the weekend began, an official who's very familiar with this -- as we saw on the talk shows today, there's
obama to actually commit to cutting some programs, which he doesn't want to do. he doesn't want to cut anything. >> of course he doesn't. >> bill: he doesn't want to cut the snail. he doesn't want to cut the mushroom exploration. >> this is a great opportunity for john boehner to put forward the boehner plan. not the dobbs plan. the boehner plan. >> bill: specifically say this is what we have to cut? >> this is what we have to do. we have to raise the retirement age in this country. for social security. we have to raise the retirement age for medicare. we have to get serious as they did in 1993 under a democratic president, president bill clinton and say this is the target. $500 billion a year in reduced deficit. and we're going to get there. >> bill: 500 billion a year you would reduce. >> absolutely. >> bill: i would double that i would do a trillion. >> you can't quite get there i think you can get. >> bill: what if i sold rhode island then i could probably get that. [ laughter ] >> bill: chinese would buy it? >> is chafee still going to be government after you sell it. >> bill: who
. again, two years ago, president obama signed and extended what i call the bush obama tax cuts. i think we need to do that, for some certainty to the economy and talk about looking at some real spending cuts, as well. >> some are criticizing this and calling it a very aggressive plan that the president has pushed forth. in public comments like the one we heard from boehner, reid, both sides taking really hard stances. but some insiders saying that a deal is within reach and much of it is for show now. new jersey democratic congressman rob andrews told politico this. there's the public choreography, then there is the real choreography. it may be something you alluded to. to reach a deal it has to look like there was a lot of fighting before the deal was reached. what's your response to that? do you think that there is a lot of grandstanding going on here? and we're actually going to make the deadline that the president suggested, which is before christmas? >> there's always a lot of grandstanding in washington on both sides. this is my first term in congress. i think mosts americans are
't the better alternative which is to see all the tax cuts he e s expire? >> how will he pass the massive obama tax cut without the house? >> i'm assuming they'd want to have a big tax cut, right? >> no. >> they would sit on their hands post-january 1st and say nothing? >> do you think republicans are so stupid in the house they don't see that move coming and say, you know what? you go ahead and you try to pass your tax cut through harry reid's senate, and we'll pass our tax cut through the house. and good luck. >> so they would just rather have everyone's tax -- i'm shock that that would be the end result. >> harry reid would rather have it his way or nobody's way? >> no, i'm saying you can negotiate in these flex three weeks about this package of tax cuts. >> i don't mean this to be directed towards you -- >> but here it comes. >> -- no, i'm just saying generally, there is such an arrogance in the media since the president won. they think that these house republicans are -- >> have nothing to say. >> -- have absolutely nothing to say. >> i do agree with that. or nothing of value. >> they act
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